Is Raymond Weil a good watch?

Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Jack Denver

2003-11-24 17:20:16 UTC

This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll get a
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you get 40%
off list or you'll be overpaying.

Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it keep
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz watch.
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Finite Guy

2003-11-24 21:21:39 UTC

So in your oppinion Raymond Weir is poor quality? What is a good value
for around $1000.00? Also, when you say it is a $5.00 movement, I
have trouble believing that. What does that mean, I can buy the
movement for $5.00 or is the cost to make the movement?

I don't particularly like Seiko, because generally I dislike Japanese
products for various reasons. For one thing, the Japanese are not fond
of Americans and why should we make them rich?

fg

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll get a
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you get 40%
off list or you'll be overpaying.
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it keep
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz watch.
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Jack Denver

2003-11-24 21:39:16 UTC

Shocking, isn't it? Here is a page from a watch supply catalog showing a
line of quartz movements commonly found in Swiss quartz watches. These are
retail prices - Weil would pay much less.

http://www.ofrei.com/page753.html

As you can see the prices range from about $8 to $16. If you tell us the
model you are looking at, we could probably tell you exactly which movement
is used. There are other quartz movements that retail for a bit more. Would
it make you feel better if your $1000 quartz watch had a $50 movement
instead of a $5?

Good value in a quartz watch around $1000? There is no such thing. They are
all rip-offs. There is no reason to spend more than a couple of hundred $
unless you are buying precious metals and diamonds.

Post by Finite Guy
So in your oppinion Raymond Weir is poor quality? What is a good value
for around $1000.00? Also, when you say it is a $5.00 movement, I
have trouble believing that. What does that mean, I can buy the
movement for $5.00 or is the cost to make the movement?

snip

Finite Guy

2003-11-24 21:53:13 UTC

Sure is. The model I was looking at is 9640 STG 97081; $1650 reatail,
My cost about $1000.

What movement is used?

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:39:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
Shocking, isn't it? Here is a page from a watch supply catalog showing a
line of quartz movements commonly found in Swiss quartz watches. These are
retail prices - Weil would pay much less.
http://www.ofrei.com/page753.html
As you can see the prices range from about $8 to $16. If you tell us the
model you are looking at, we could probably tell you exactly which movement
is used. There are other quartz movements that retail for a bit more. Would
it make you feel better if your $1000 quartz watch had a $50 movement
instead of a $5?
Good value in a quartz watch around $1000? There is no such thing. They are
all rip-offs. There is no reason to spend more than a couple of hundred $
unless you are buying precious metals and diamonds.

snip

Jack Denver

2003-11-24 22:15:56 UTC

On second glance, I have no source for that info. I'm sure if you email Weil
they would tell you or you could look inside the back. As I said, it hardly
makes a difference - a simple ladies calendar quartz would rarely exceed $50
no matter which one. And don't think you are getting it in diamonds - there
is perhaps $50 worth of diamonds in that watch.

Post by Finite Guy
Sure is. The model I was looking at is 9640 STG 97081; $1650 reatail,
My cost about $1000.
What movement is used?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:39:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

snip

Finite Guy

2003-11-24 22:34:56 UTC

It would seem as though there is about a 1000% markup on this stuff?
That's almost criminal.

I'm not even sure that this is a calender watch. Is it? It is 14 K
w/a saphire on the crown and a saphire crystal.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:56 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
On second glance, I have no source for that info. I'm sure if you email Weil
they would tell you or you could look inside the back. As I said, it hardly
makes a difference - a simple ladies calendar quartz would rarely exceed $50
no matter which one. And don't think you are getting it in diamonds - there
is perhaps $50 worth of diamonds in that watch.

Post by Finite Guy
Sure is. The model I was looking at is 9640 STG 97081; $1650 reatail,
My cost about $1000.
What movement is used?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:39:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
Shocking, isn't it? Here is a page from a watch supply catalog showing a
line of quartz movements commonly found in Swiss quartz watches. These

are

Post by Jack Denver
retail prices - Weil would pay much less.
http://www.ofrei.com/page753.html
As you can see the prices range from about $8 to $16. If you tell us the
model you are looking at, we could probably tell you exactly which

movement

Post by Jack Denver
is used. There are other quartz movements that retail for a bit more.

Would

Post by Jack Denver
it make you feel better if your $1000 quartz watch had a $50 movement
instead of a $5?
Good value in a quartz watch around $1000? There is no such thing. They

are

Post by Jack Denver
all rip-offs. There is no reason to spend more than a couple of hundred $
unless you are buying precious metals and diamonds.

snip

Jack Denver

2003-11-24 22:45:34 UTC

That's about right - figure 400% markup on the manufacturer level over
direct materials and labor cost and another doubling at retail. Roughly
speaking. Out of its 400% the manufacturer has to pay advertising, overhead,
executive salaries, etc. so not all of that is profit. There's nothing
criminal except that consumers can be convicted of foolishness for agreeing
to pay those prices.

Post by Finite Guy
It would seem as though there is about a 1000% markup on this stuff?
That's almost criminal.

I'm not even sure that this is a calender watch. Is it? It is 14 K
w/a saphire on the crown and a saphire crystal.
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:56 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Finite Guy
Sure is. The model I was looking at is 9640 STG 97081; $1650 reatail,
My cost about $1000.
What movement is used?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:39:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
Shocking, isn't it? Here is a page from a watch supply catalog showing a
line of quartz movements commonly found in Swiss quartz watches. These

are

movement

Post by Jack Denver
is used. There are other quartz movements that retail for a bit more.

Would

Post by Jack Denver
it make you feel better if your $1000 quartz watch had a $50 movement
instead of a $5?
Good value in a quartz watch around $1000? There is no such thing. They

are

Post by Jack Denver
all rip-offs. There is no reason to spend more than a couple of hundred $
unless you are buying precious metals and diamonds.

snip

Alex W.

2003-11-25 23:47:39 UTC

Post by Jack Denver
That's about right - figure 400% markup on the

manufacturer level over

Post by Jack Denver
direct materials and labor cost and another doubling at

retail. Roughly

Post by Jack Denver
speaking. Out of its 400% the manufacturer has to pay

advertising, overhead,

Post by Jack Denver
executive salaries, etc. so not all of that is profit.

There's nothing

Post by Jack Denver
criminal except that consumers can be convicted of

foolishness for agreeing

Post by Jack Denver
to pay those prices.

Methinks you misunderstand the nature of the planned
purchase. You hear "wristwatch" and think in terms of
horological value, but this is a question of jewellery for a
lady. That it ticks and tells the time is pretty much
incidental. And it being jewellery, the question of value
for money does not even arise. If it did, women wouldn't
dream of wearing any but the cheapest fashion jewellery.

Jack Denver

2003-11-26 01:47:53 UTC

No, that's not true. There is lots of jewelry where the market value of the
preciouls metals and stones forms some substantial percentage of the retail
price and form a floor on the resale value of the piece. A jeweler would be
ashamed (or at least, due to market pressures, unable) to mark up a gold
bracelet as much as Rolex does, for example. OTOH, a steel Weil watch with
$50 worth of diamonds doesn't really qualify as jewelry either. Were it not
for the movement, a jeweler couldn't get $100 for a steel bracelet or
anything really since there is no such thing as steel jewelry. But somehow
$5 movement plus $50 of diamonds plus $50 case and bracelet = $1000 watch.
OTOH, overall profits are not as high as they would seem at 1st glance
because in order to maintain that kind of alchemy you have to spend a lot of
money advertising in glossy magazines, newspapers, etc. in order to keep
your name before the public. Every day in the NY Times one of the major type
of advertising, especially on p.2 (the first page with any ads on it) is
watch advertising.

I realize though that buying for women is difficult as most will regard the
amount you spend as an expression of the amount of your love. If you spend
"too little" even on a watch that is just as good, it will be taken
negatively.

Post by Jack Denver
That's about right - figure 400% markup on the

manufacturer level over

Post by Jack Denver
direct materials and labor cost and another doubling at

retail. Roughly

Post by Jack Denver
speaking. Out of its 400% the manufacturer has to pay

advertising, overhead,

Post by Jack Denver
executive salaries, etc. so not all of that is profit.

There's nothing

Post by Jack Denver
criminal except that consumers can be convicted of

foolishness for agreeing

Post by Jack Denver
to pay those prices.

John

2003-11-26 02:47:58 UTC

All excellent points Jack, I face the same problem and fully understand the
"face" value versus the "expression of love" value, so then I pose it to you
directly, how does one solve the dilemma? What would be considered a good
choice in that snack bracket or perhaps even $US 1500. She likes the look
of the Cartier Tank Francaise, but alas too much up here in Canada, approx
3400 $CAN. I know she once liked the look of the R/W at one point because of
its similar look to the Tank, but although I don't mind shelling out
somewhere in the US 1500 range, I'd like to know I'm also getting good value
.....

possible??? suggestions ????

thanks
John

Post by Jack Denver
No, that's not true. There is lots of jewelry where the market value of the
preciouls metals and stones forms some substantial percentage of the retail
price and form a floor on the resale value of the piece. A jeweler would be
ashamed (or at least, due to market pressures, unable) to mark up a gold
bracelet as much as Rolex does, for example. OTOH, a steel Weil watch with
$50 worth of diamonds doesn't really qualify as jewelry either. Were it not
for the movement, a jeweler couldn't get $100 for a steel bracelet or
anything really since there is no such thing as steel jewelry. But somehow
$5 movement plus $50 of diamonds plus $50 case and bracelet = $1000 watch.
OTOH, overall profits are not as high as they would seem at 1st glance
because in order to maintain that kind of alchemy you have to spend a lot of
money advertising in glossy magazines, newspapers, etc. in order to keep
your name before the public. Every day in the NY Times one of the major type
of advertising, especially on p.2 (the first page with any ads on it) is
watch advertising.
I realize though that buying for women is difficult as most will regard the
amount you spend as an expression of the amount of your love. If you spend
"too little" even on a watch that is just as good, it will be taken
negatively.

Post by Jack Denver
That's about right - figure 400% markup on the

manufacturer level over

Post by Jack Denver
direct materials and labor cost and another doubling at

retail. Roughly

Post by Jack Denver
speaking. Out of its 400% the manufacturer has to pay

advertising, overhead,

Post by Jack Denver
executive salaries, etc. so not all of that is profit.

There's nothing

Post by Jack Denver
criminal except that consumers can be convicted of

foolishness for agreeing

Post by Jack Denver
to pay those prices.

Jack Denver

2003-11-26 05:09:14 UTC

I dunno - its all so much a matter of taste.
What about Oris?

Ladies Oris Tonneau Watch
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2673282106&category=31387

or one of these:

http://servellos.com/watches/oris/rect_dd/rectangular_ddl.htm

These go for around $600US discounted (expect 40% off list, sometimes more
from a greymarket dealer e.g. http://www.bernardco.com/oris.html) ..by the
time you pay vat and duty you are around $1k us.

You can pay more if you insist (find a dealer that doesn't discount) , but I
doubt you'll get a better watch - certainly no quartz watch can hold a
candle to the Oris automatics in term of value.

Post by John
All excellent points Jack, I face the same problem and fully understand the
"face" value versus the "expression of love" value, so then I pose it to you
directly, how does one solve the dilemma? What would be considered a good
choice in that snack bracket or perhaps even $US 1500. She likes the look
of the Cartier Tank Francaise, but alas too much up here in Canada, approx
3400 $CAN. I know she once liked the look of the R/W at one point because of
its similar look to the Tank, but although I don't mind shelling out
somewhere in the US 1500 range, I'd like to know I'm also getting good value
.....
possible??? suggestions ????
thanks
John

Post by Jack Denver
No, that's not true. There is lots of jewelry where the market value of

the

Post by Jack Denver
preciouls metals and stones forms some substantial percentage of the

retail

Post by Jack Denver
price and form a floor on the resale value of the piece. A jeweler would

Post by Jack Denver
ashamed (or at least, due to market pressures, unable) to mark up a gold
bracelet as much as Rolex does, for example. OTOH, a steel Weil watch with
$50 worth of diamonds doesn't really qualify as jewelry either. Were it

not

Post by Jack Denver
for the movement, a jeweler couldn't get $100 for a steel bracelet or
anything really since there is no such thing as steel jewelry. But somehow
$5 movement plus $50 of diamonds plus $50 case and bracelet = $1000 watch.
OTOH, overall profits are not as high as they would seem at 1st glance
because in order to maintain that kind of alchemy you have to spend a

lot

Post by John
of

Post by Jack Denver
money advertising in glossy magazines, newspapers, etc. in order to keep
your name before the public. Every day in the NY Times one of the major

type

Post by Jack Denver
of advertising, especially on p.2 (the first page with any ads on it) is
watch advertising.
I realize though that buying for women is difficult as most will regard

the

Post by Jack Denver
amount you spend as an expression of the amount of your love. If you spend
"too little" even on a watch that is just as good, it will be taken
negatively.

Post by Jack Denver
That's about right - figure 400% markup on the

manufacturer level over

Post by Jack Denver
direct materials and labor cost and another doubling at

retail. Roughly

Post by Jack Denver
speaking. Out of its 400% the manufacturer has to pay

advertising, overhead,

Post by Jack Denver
executive salaries, etc. so not all of that is profit.

There's nothing

Post by Jack Denver
criminal except that consumers can be convicted of

foolishness for agreeing

Post by Jack Denver
to pay those prices.

Kent Betts

2003-11-27 07:25:34 UTC

"John"

Post by John
somewhere in the US 1500 range, I'd like to know I'm also getting good value
.....
possible??? suggestions ????

A ladies Waltham c. 1910-1930 pendant with mint dial, glass front and glass
back, and 2 oz (heavy) 14 kt chain necklace. With luck you should get out for
about a grand.

Finite Guy

2003-11-24 22:29:26 UTC

I'm not even sure that this is a calender watch. Is it? It is 14 K
w/a saphire on the crown and a saphire crystal.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:15:56 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Finite Guy
Sure is. The model I was looking at is 9640 STG 97081; $1650 reatail,
My cost about $1000.
What movement is used?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:39:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
Shocking, isn't it? Here is a page from a watch supply catalog showing a
line of quartz movements commonly found in Swiss quartz watches. These

are

movement

Post by Jack Denver
is used. There are other quartz movements that retail for a bit more.

Would

Post by Jack Denver
it make you feel better if your $1000 quartz watch had a $50 movement
instead of a $5?
Good value in a quartz watch around $1000? There is no such thing. They

are

Post by Jack Denver
all rip-offs. There is no reason to spend more than a couple of hundred $
unless you are buying precious metals and diamonds.

snip

Thore Karlsen

2003-11-25 00:51:57 UTC

A friend of mine had a Raymond Weil, and it looked very cheaply made. I
wouldn't spend much money on it.

Post by Finite Guy
I don't particularly like Seiko, because generally I dislike Japanese
products for various reasons. For one thing, the Japanese are not fond
of Americans and why should we make them rich?

Because they make damn good products. Newsflash: Most of the world is
not fond of Americans. Are you going to boycott everyone?

--
Be seeing you.

Finite Guy

2003-11-25 02:42:18 UTC

True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are not to blame.
At one time Americans made the best watches in the world (right in
Waltham MA). Damn shame that we gave it up.

Post by Thore Karlsen

A friend of mine had a Raymond Weil, and it looked very cheaply made. I
wouldn't spend much money on it.

Because they make damn good products. Newsflash: Most of the world is
not fond of Americans. Are you going to boycott everyone?

Eric Dreher

2003-11-25 03:45:24 UTC

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are not to blame.

Bingo.

All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is universal.

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stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan

Alex W.

2003-11-26 00:33:38 UTC

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.

Envy of what?
Your high incomes, for which you have to sweat an average
2,000 hours a year?
Military might which costs you an arm and a leg and makes
you a target for every suicidal nutcase?
The quality and size of your horological industry?

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-26 03:02:05 UTC

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

l***@uk2.net

2003-11-26 07:54:43 UTC

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Which person of humble origin are you talking about? The ex-alcoholic
or the one who got his employees to give him blow jobs at work?

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-26 14:59:24 UTC

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Which person of humble origin are you talking about? The ex-alcoholic
or the one who got his employees to give him blow jobs at work?

Not this one:
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/n_9525/

l***@uk2.net

2003-11-26 19:12:58 UTC

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most

powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a

family

Post by Norman Schwartz
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Which person of humble origin are you talking about? The ex-alcoholic
or the one who got his employees to give him blow jobs at work?

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/n_9525/

A buffoon without any real power now or if he becomes King. You don't
think we take these people seriously do you?

l

Alex W.

2003-11-28 00:46:52 UTC

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:59:24 GMT, "Norman Schwartz"

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:02:05 GMT, "Norman Schwartz"

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us.

"We" are

Post by Finite Guy
not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy

Post by Finite Guy
universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can

become the most

Post by Norman Schwartz
powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK

still worship a

Post by Norman Schwartz
family

Post by Norman Schwartz
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Which person of humble origin are you talking about?

The ex-alcoholic

or the one who got his employees to give him blow jobs

at work?

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/int

elligencer/n_9525/

A buffoon without any real power now or if he becomes

King. You don't

think we take these people seriously do you?

The truly sad thing is that he could have been a pretty
decent monarch. He's reasonably bright, knows his stuff,
has ideas and opinions which he shares with a large part of
the public (whatever the press may say, lots of people
actually like old-fashioned housing and watercolour
landscapes). Unfortunately, he has been trained from birth
for a job which he is still waiting to do when the rest of
us are already slowly starting to think of retirement, and a
job at that which is currently performed by his extremely
competent mother.

Chris Malcolm

2003-11-26 13:43:36 UTC

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Which recent American president was of humble origins? I thought you
needed a large private fortune and a well-connected family to run for
president? IMHO people of much humbler origins can and do become Prime
Minister of the UK than president of the US.

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-26 15:01:31 UTC

Post by Chris Malcolm

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We" are

not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Which recent American president was of humble origins?

William Jefferson Clinton, recent enough?

Alex W.

2003-11-26 17:46:47 UTC

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Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We"

are

Post by Finite Guy
not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become

the most powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK

still worship a family

Post by Norman Schwartz
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Odd. Whenever I walk past Buckingham Palace, the people
cramming up against the gates are not we Brits but tourists,
and mostly Americans at that....

As for humble backgrounds, Margaret Thatcher was a butcher's
daughter and John Major's father was a trapeze artist in the
circus. Not exactly oil baron ancestry....

When they were Prime Minister, they found it highly
profitable to associate with and listen to the counsel of
the person with the longest track record in government
anywhere in the industrialised world: the Queen.

Kent Betts

2003-11-27 07:37:59 UTC

"Alex W."

Post by Alex W.
daughter and John Major's father was a trapeze artist in the
circus. Not exactly oil baron ancestry....

Bush Sr was a traveling salesman for Hughes, selling drill bits. He bought a
few oil leases. His first political job was as Republican Party chairman in
Houston, before running for congress and losing the election. He was never an
oil baron, though he is said to have had a large Rolodex.

Jack Denver

2003-11-27 13:45:55 UTC

You forget to add that he was a US Senator's son. Look, the Bushes are of
"old money" background. So was Roosevelt. (So is Howard Dean). Social
register types. I don't hold this against them (or give them credit for it
either). This is not the Soviet Union. You don't get extra points for being
of "proletarian background",nor are you disqualified because you are from an
"aristocratic background". However, the "humble beginnings" message has been
sucessfully mined for votes by candidates from the mid-19th century onward
(Lincoln got a lot of mileage out of his log cabin). But all in all, it has
been more hype than reality. Regardless of how US Presidents start out, by
the time they run they are highly successful men - lawyers, generals,
senators, governors, etc. who have traveled far from their humble
beginnings, if any, and usually the beginnings are less humble than the
candidates portray in their spin. As you have demonstrated, it is easy to be
highly selective in the facts that you disclose or emphasize.

Post by Kent Betts
"Alex W."

Post by Alex W.
daughter and John Major's father was a trapeze artist in the
circus. Not exactly oil baron ancestry....

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-29 00:46:22 UTC

Post by Alex W.
.net...

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us. "We"

are

Post by Finite Guy
not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy is

universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become

the most powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK

still worship a family

Post by Norman Schwartz
of perverts because of the royal origin.

And did she have to suck up to the Royal Family, including Prince Tampon as
well as Bill Clinton (meaning the USA)? ;-)

Alex W.

2003-11-30 00:38:51 UTC

"Norman Schwartz" <***@att.net> wrote in message news:y%Rxb.125034$***@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att
.net...

Post by Alex W.
.net...

Post by Eric Dreher
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:42:18 GMT, Finite Guy

Post by Finite Guy
True that most of the world is not fond of us.

"We"

Post by Alex W.
are

Post by Finite Guy
not to blame.

Post by Eric Dreher
Bingo.
All the "not fond" statement proves is that envy

Post by Alex W.

Post by Finite Guy
universal.
Envy of what?

Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can

become

Post by Alex W.
the most powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet, whilst poor slobs in the UK

still worship a family

Post by Norman Schwartz
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Odd. Whenever I walk past Buckingham Palace, the people
cramming up against the gates are not we Brits but

tourists,

Post by Alex W.
and mostly Americans at that....
As for humble backgrounds, Margaret Thatcher was a

butcher's

Post by Alex W.
daughter and John Major's father was a trapeze artist in

the

Post by Alex W.
circus. Not exactly oil baron ancestry....

And did she have to suck up to the Royal Family, including

Prince Tampon as

Post by Norman Schwartz
well as Bill Clinton (meaning the USA)? ;-)

I know that Bill Clinton isn't exactly reticent and
discriminating when it comes to dalliance with the female
sex, but the image of Maggie and him is just too gross....
:-))

Appin

2003-11-28 20:15:51 UTC

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet,

Pay a visit downtown to the spit'n'sawdust post offices and the poor
sitting on the steps and see how it really is in the USA!
And yes, I do know -- I once lived within the city boundaries in Detroit!

Post by Norman Schwartz
whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Whilst in the US the slobs worship a dynasty of bootleggers by the name
of Kennedy.

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-28 22:41:18 UTC

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet,

Post by Norman Schwartz
whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Whilst in the US the slobs worship a dynasty of bootleggers by the name
of Kennedy.

omniscient idiot

2003-11-29 03:41:07 UTC

I wonder what brands of watches all the fabulous (or not so fabulous)
critters mentioned in some of the previous email actually wear, and
how accurate they are. I know little of the official boundaries
amongst bad taste, good humor, and horology - and if politicizing
not-so-political topics is a crime, I have been guilty at times
myself. Still, is it perhaps slightly better to avoid this kind of
thing unless there is an overriding need? oi

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most

powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet,

Post by Norman Schwartz
whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Whilst in the US the slobs worship a dynasty of bootleggers by the name
of Kennedy.

Walter Spector

2003-11-29 04:16:14 UTC

Post by omniscient idiot
I wonder what brands of watches all the fabulous (or not so fabulous)
critters mentioned in some of the previous email actually wear, and
how accurate they are....

No idea about Kennedys or Clintons. However a local jeweler told me
that the new "governator" of California wears a Roger Dubois. She had
one of the matching "just like his" in stock too. Only $13k.

Walt
-...-
Walt Spector
(w6ws at earthlink dot net)

Thore Karlsen

2003-11-29 04:48:28 UTC

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 04:16:14 GMT, Walter Spector

Post by Walter Spector

Post by omniscient idiot
I wonder what brands of watches all the fabulous (or not so fabulous)
critters mentioned in some of the previous email actually wear, and
how accurate they are....

No idea about Kennedys or Clintons. However a local jeweler told me
that the new "governator" of California wears a Roger Dubois. She had
one of the matching "just like his" in stock too. Only $13k.

Arnold is known for wearing mostly Audemars Piguet Royal Oaks. They've
made several just for him, like the one in Terminator 3.

--
Be seeing you.

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-29 00:46:22 UTC

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most powerful
individual on the planet,

That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come from which saved both
your and the rest of the entire worlds' asses from the Axis Powers.
Lend-Lease moneys didn't derive from those "spit'n'sawdust" places nor the
Royal Family, including Prince Tampon.

Post by Norman Schwartz
whilst poor slobs in the UK still worship a family
of perverts because of the royal origin.

Whilst in the US the slobs worship a dynasty of bootleggers by the name
of Kennedy.

Unfortunately the nut (and his accomplices ?) who pulled the trigger in
Dallas didn't worship him.

l***@uk2.net

2003-11-29 01:10:25 UTC

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most

powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet,

That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come from

No it isn't Norman. The dollars and the lives came from Russia. They
lost 10 million lives while gasbags like you scratched your crutches
and whined about immigrants.

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-29 15:06:35 UTC

The message

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most

powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet,

That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come from

No it isn't Norman. The dollars and the lives came from Russia. They
lost 10 million lives while gasbags like you scratched your crutches
and whined about immigrants.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/munich.html

Norman Schwartz

2003-11-29 20:06:57 UTC

The message

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most

powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet,

Pay a visit downtown to the spit'n'sawdust post offices and the poor
sitting on the steps and see how it really is in the USA!
And yes, I do know -- I once lived within the city boundaries in

Detroit!

Post by Norman Schwartz
That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come from

No it isn't Norman. The dollars and the lives came from Russia. They
lost 10 million lives while gasbags like you scratched your crutches
and whined about immigrants.

Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your b---s,
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the world
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder what
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the time.

Post by Appin
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/munich.html

Alex W.

2003-11-30 00:51:52 UTC

"Norman Schwartz" <***@att.net> wrote in message news:B%6yb.128673$***@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att
.net...
t.net...

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:46:22 GMT, "Norman Schwartz"

The message

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin

can become the most

Post by Norman Schwartz
powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet,

Pay a visit downtown to the spit'n'sawdust post

offices and the poor

sitting on the steps and see how it really is in

the USA!

And yes, I do know -- I once lived within the city

boundaries in

Post by Appin
Detroit!

Post by Norman Schwartz
That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come

from

No it isn't Norman. The dollars and the lives came

from Russia. They

lost 10 million lives while gasbags like you scratched

your crutches

and whined about immigrants.

Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented

others from

Post by Norman Schwartz
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know),

scratched your b---s,

Post by Norman Schwartz
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing

to hand the world

Post by Norman Schwartz
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them

off. I wonder what

Post by Norman Schwartz
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were

alive at the time.

Nobody is innocent. Anybody starts throwing rocks, the
chances are pretty good that they will discover post-haste
that they do live in a glasshouse.

If you accuse us of turning away immigrants, I could point
out the fate of the 1,000 Jewish refugees on board the SS St
Louis which were refused entry into the US and sent straight
back to Europe where most of them died.

As for Lend-Lease, we paid for every grain of wheat, every
drop of oil and every bullet America sent us. It was a
straightforward business deal which took us a while to pay
and it almost bankrupted us, but we did it. OTOH, the
American government never did pay reparations for
dispossessing and expropriating private British property
during the Revolution, as promised in the peace treaty.

As I said -- we all sit in glass houses....

Michael Ker

2003-11-30 02:43:35 UTC

I am sure the British would be less keen to turn away immigrants if the
indigenous population of our country had been all but annihilated by our
ancestors.

Michael

Post by Norman Schwartz
Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your b---s,
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the world
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder what
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the time.

l***@uk2.net

2003-11-30 11:15:08 UTC

in article

At least we didn't hang around for 3 years until we saw it was to our
advanatge to join in.

Simon Bryquer

2003-11-30 13:35:59 UTC

Don't bother. Any civilized energy or response is not worth it in this
case. This person has again and again demonstrated by the contents of his
posts in all manners of things horological and beyond, as you've seen
recently to be a being of sub-Neanderthal sensibility and worldviews. Any
hope that some balance and light might penetrate is way beyond expectations
in a being of self feeding prejudice, ignorance and total lack of self
knowledge. Worse we're dealing with a lost cause here.

SCB

========================================================================

Post by l***@uk2.net
in article

At least we didn't hang around for 3 years until we saw it was to our
advanatge to join in.

Brian Talley

2003-11-30 16:58:33 UTC

Please take your utterly pointless diatribes to email.
There, you may flame to your hearts' content and the
rest of us won't have to endure it.

Post by Simon Bryquer
Don't bother. Any civilized energy or response is not worth it in this
case. This person has again and again demonstrated by the contents of his
posts in all manners of things horological and beyond, as you've seen
recently to be a being of sub-Neanderthal sensibility and worldviews. Any
hope that some balance and light might penetrate is way beyond expectations
in a being of self feeding prejudice, ignorance and total lack of self
knowledge. Worse we're dealing with a lost cause here.
SCB
========================================================================

Post by l***@uk2.net
in article

Post by Norman Schwartz
Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your

b---s,

Post by Norman Schwartz
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the

world

Post by Norman Schwartz
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder

what

Post by Norman Schwartz
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the

time.

Post by l***@uk2.net
At least we didn't hang around for 3 years until we saw it was to our
advanatge to join in.

Simon Bryquer

2003-11-30 18:16:56 UTC

Mr. Talley ---

It's good to know who's who. Thus I take it you endorse the observations
and opinions put forth by Mr. Schwartz and view them as an appropriate
expression of an opinion, in spite of the insulting racial connotation they
contained. And your insight makes you observe mine as diatribe. Perhaps you
should review the entire thread before telling anyone where to take
anything. Why didn't you speak up before in view of all that pointless
diatribe and insults being flung. And if you have read the entire thread I
rest my case and your post speaks for itself..

Simon Bryquer

Post by Brian Talley
Please take your utterly pointless diatribes to email.
There, you may flame to your hearts' content and the
rest of us won't have to endure it.

Any

Post by Simon Bryquer
hope that some balance and light might penetrate is way beyond expectations
in a being of self feeding prejudice, ignorance and total lack of self
knowledge. Worse we're dealing with a lost cause here.
SCB
========================================================================

Post by l***@uk2.net
in article

Post by Norman Schwartz
Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your

b---s,

Post by Norman Schwartz
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the

world

Post by Norman Schwartz
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder

what

Post by Norman Schwartz
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the

time.

Post by l***@uk2.net
At least we didn't hang around for 3 years until we saw it was to our
advanatge to join in.

Brian Talley

2003-12-01 02:06:27 UTC

Read whatever you like into my request that you get back
on topic. I was asking the collective "you" - *all* those
who have engaged in this thread - to please take it
elsewhere.

Do what you will. This is a pointless tiff, however.

Post by Simon Bryquer
Mr. Talley ---
It's good to know who's who. Thus I take it you endorse the observations
and opinions put forth by Mr. Schwartz and view them as an appropriate
expression of an opinion, in spite of the insulting racial connotation they
contained. And your insight makes you observe mine as diatribe. Perhaps you
should review the entire thread before telling anyone where to take
anything. Why didn't you speak up before in view of all that pointless
diatribe and insults being flung. And if you have read the entire thread I
rest my case and your post speaks for itself..
Simon Bryquer

Post by Brian Talley
Please take your utterly pointless diatribes to email.
There, you may flame to your hearts' content and the
rest of us won't have to endure it.

Post by Simon Bryquer
Don't bother. Any civilized energy or response is not worth it in this
case. This person has again and again demonstrated by the contents of

his

Post by Simon Bryquer
posts in all manners of things horological and beyond, as you've seen
recently to be a being of sub-Neanderthal sensibility and worldviews.

Any

Post by Simon Bryquer
hope that some balance and light might penetrate is way beyond

expectations

Post by Simon Bryquer
in a being of self feeding prejudice, ignorance and total lack of self
knowledge. Worse we're dealing with a lost cause here.
SCB
========================================================================

Post by l***@uk2.net
in article

Post by Norman Schwartz
Far worse lysander, you turned away immigrants, prevented others from
landing (the sun never sets on the empire you know), scratched your

b---s,

Post by Norman Schwartz
didn't even whine, and along with the frogs, was willing to hand the

world

Post by Norman Schwartz
over to Adolf until the super-race started to bomb them off. I wonder

what

Post by Norman Schwartz
Little Prince Tampon would have had to say if he were alive at the

time.

Post by l***@uk2.net
At least we didn't hang around for 3 years until we saw it was to our
advanatge to join in.

Kent Betts

2003-12-07 09:29:46 UTC

Heheh...it is such an honor to read a post by someone who is put off by racism.
Perhaps you are the reincarnation of Ghandi or something.

From what I can tell on the BBC, the UK has let in a lot of foreigners and is worse
off for it. The reason the people emmigrate to England is that it is a nation of laws
and has a good economy. What bothers me about letting in a bunch of immigrants is
that they are coming from some country where their cultural practices, fate, and
history have resulted in dictatorships and poverty. And so we are supposed to believe
that importing specimens from this gene pool is supposed to improve the economic and
social circumstances of a nation that has enjoyed democratic customs and advanced
social and educational infrastructure for several centuries? I think not. This is
generally referred to as "diversity", which means basically nothing, as the value of
the immigrant is directly proportional to the degree that they emulate prevailing
moral and social conventions of the community in which they reside.

From here in Texas I can see that in a hundred years the minority of European
descendant will wonder out loud "Why did they let this happen?" There should
obviously be a fence built between the US and Mexico to stop the one or two million
illegal immigrants from entering the country annualy. This would be bad enough, but
it fails to convey the practical effect in it entireity, as it is not unusual to find
23 year old Mexican women with eight children and a round belly. It is simply too
many immigrants. It is amazing to me that the US gov't feels that the risk of
offending the Mexican government makes the fence option unacceptable, while the
tangible burden of illegal immigrants from Mexico on the school and hospitals and the
disregard for legal immigration is many time more offensive. I would tell the
Mexicans "We built a fence because we want you to stay out. If you feel unwanted, it
is because over here, you are unwanted and are most particularly not welcome." And
raymond weill is probably an average watch.

Kent Betts

2003-12-07 08:54:56 UTC

Post by Michael Ker
I am sure the British would be less keen to turn away immigrants if the
indigenous population of our country had been all but annihilated by our
ancestors.

An amazing post. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

omniscient idiot

2003-11-30 00:08:37 UTC

With all respect to all involved in this particular debate (as well as
to all the deceased whose deeds have allowed us to live our life in
something faintly resembling peace), I sense that the debate is
getting weird (not to say something other than mature). Some are
bragging about thier ancestors, some defending theirs (or touting
someone else's).
Back when I was in kindergarten (don't worry, at that time, I happened
to live outside the US, outside the UK, outside Russia), some of us
would brag that their daddies were bigger and stronger than the other
kids' daddies. But, well, at least we were "only" little kids back
then ....
oi

The message

Post by Norman Schwartz
Envy of the fact that a person of humble origin can become the most

powerful

Post by Norman Schwartz
individual on the planet,

Pay a visit downtown to the spit'n'sawdust post offices and the poor
sitting on the steps and see how it really is in the USA!
And yes, I do know -- I once lived within the city boundaries in

Detroit!

Post by Norman Schwartz
That isn't where the dollars and lives had to come from

No it isn't Norman. The dollars and the lives came from Russia. They
lost 10 million lives while gasbags like you scratched your crutches
and whined about immigrants.

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/munich.html

Kent Betts

2003-11-25 04:13:42 UTC

"Finite Guy"

Post by Finite Guy
, I can buy the
movement for $5.00 or is the cost to make the movement?

Either one, really. A $1000 watch with a quartz movement is not going to hold
resale value
or be collectable or anything else. But if the watch is what you like, then it
doesn't matter.
Radio Shack used to sell Realistic brand stereos for $800 bucks out in Podunk,
which was the same price as a Kenwood or Panasonic system.

Post by Finite Guy
. For one thing, the Japanese are not fond
of Americans and why should we make them rich?

Japanese like Americans ok. They antied up about $20 billion for the first Gulf
war.
On a different topic, around 1980 all the news magazines
were running front page articles about how the Japanese were going to rule the
economic
world. Since then, the have been in a 15 year recession brought about by
excessive
real estate lending. The Japanese are awfully meek these days. I guess the
Chinese
are going to do a number on them next with their $50 DVD players.

Frank

2003-11-29 10:28:43 UTC

Wake up, almost nobody are fond of Americans, but they do make some good
products.

l***@uk2.net

2003-11-24 21:26:04 UTC

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Jack Denver
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it keep
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz watch.
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Jack Denver

2003-11-24 21:54:24 UTC

They make both in men's watches. No handwinds . All automatics. Ladies
currently are quartz only.
Here is their website:

http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?

Post by Finite Guy
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

l***@uk2.net

2003-11-24 22:15:02 UTC

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0500, "Jack Denver"
<***@netscape.net> wrote:

I own something of a rarity then, a hand-wound Raymond Weil with
'proper' clockwork in it :-)

Post by Jack Denver
They make both in men's watches. No handwinds . All automatics. Ladies
currently are quartz only.
http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?

Post by Finite Guy
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll get

Post by Jack Denver
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you get

40%

Post by Jack Denver
off list or you'll be overpaying.

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Jack Denver
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it keep
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz

watch.

Post by Jack Denver
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Jack Denver

2003-11-24 22:39:26 UTC

I doubt it is much of a rarity. BTW, don't bother having the watch cleaned.
Frei will sell you a brand new 7001 for $43.

Post by l***@uk2.net
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0500, "Jack Denver"
I own something of a rarity then, a hand-wound Raymond Weil with
'proper' clockwork in it :-)

Post by Jack Denver
They make both in men's watches. No handwinds . All automatics. Ladies
currently are quartz only.
http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?

Post by Finite Guy
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll get

Post by Jack Denver
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you get

40%

Post by Jack Denver
off list or you'll be overpaying.

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Jack Denver
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it keep
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz

watch.

Post by Jack Denver
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Finite Guy

2003-11-25 03:31:16 UTC

So what about Omega. Are all these watches worthless? Is there any
modern watch that is worth buying other than a Rolex? Or is that over
rated also.
I personally like my 100 year old Waltham Riverside.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:39:26 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
I doubt it is much of a rarity. BTW, don't bother having the watch cleaned.
Frei will sell you a brand new 7001 for $43.

Post by l***@uk2.net
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0500, "Jack Denver"
I own something of a rarity then, a hand-wound Raymond Weil with
'proper' clockwork in it :-)

Post by Jack Denver
They make both in men's watches. No handwinds . All automatics. Ladies
currently are quartz only.
http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?

Post by Finite Guy
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll

get

Post by Jack Denver
a

Post by Jack Denver
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you

get

Post by Jack Denver
40%

Post by Jack Denver
off list or you'll be overpaying.

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Jack Denver
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it

keep

Post by Jack Denver
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz

watch.

Post by Jack Denver
Will it last a long time? Maybe, maybe not. Is it worth what they are
charging? No way, IMHO.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

Kent Betts

2003-11-25 03:51:48 UTC

Post by Finite Guy
So what about Omega. Are all these watches worthless? Is there any
modern watch that is worth buying other than a Rolex? Or is that over
rated also.
I personally like my 100 year old Waltham Riverside.

A hundred years ago the marketing dept did not run the company.

Now the Waltham name is owned by some Swiss outfit who license the name to M Z
Berger on Long Island.

Alex W.

2003-11-25 23:51:07 UTC

Post by Kent Betts

Post by Finite Guy
So what about Omega. Are all these watches worthless? Is

there any

Post by Kent Betts

Post by Finite Guy
modern watch that is worth buying other than a Rolex? Or

is that over

Post by Kent Betts

Post by Finite Guy
rated also.
I personally like my 100 year old Waltham Riverside.

A hundred years ago the marketing dept did not run the

company.

Post by Kent Betts
Now the Waltham name is owned by some Swiss outfit who

license the name to M Z

Post by Kent Betts
Berger on Long Island.

... which is only the continuation of a time-honoured Swiss
tradition of marketing-led sales of cheap watches to
Americans (and the rest of the world). It's quite
fascinating how grubby the history of the Swiss watch
industry gets once you scratch at the glossy image and
sanitised company histories....

lysander

2003-11-25 13:49:08 UTC

In article <8tGdnfaR4-UCFV-***@comcast.com>, ***@netscape.net
says...

Post by Jack Denver
I doubt it is much of a rarity. BTW, don't bother having the watch cleaned.
Frei will sell you a brand new 7001 for $43.

43 bucks? That's more than I paid for the watch!

Post by l***@uk2.net
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0500, "Jack Denver"
I own something of a rarity then, a hand-wound Raymond Weil with
'proper' clockwork in it :-)

Post by Jack Denver
They make both in men's watches. No handwinds . All automatics. Ladies
currently are quartz only.
http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?

Post by Finite Guy
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll

get

Post by Jack Denver
a

Post by Jack Denver
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you

get

Post by Jack Denver
40%

Post by Jack Denver
off list or you'll be overpaying.

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Jack Denver
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it

keep

Post by Jack Denver
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz

Jack Denver

2003-11-25 19:23:57 UTC

What can I say - inflation.

Post by lysander
says...

Post by Jack Denver
I doubt it is much of a rarity. BTW, don't bother having the watch cleaned.
Frei will sell you a brand new 7001 for $43.

43 bucks? That's more than I paid for the watch!

Post by l***@uk2.net
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:54:24 -0500, "Jack Denver"
I own something of a rarity then, a hand-wound Raymond Weil with
'proper' clockwork in it :-)

Post by Jack Denver
They make both in men's watches. No handwinds . All automatics. Ladies
currently are quartz only.
http://www.raymondweil.com/masters/RW/default.asp?

Post by Finite Guy
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:20:16 -0500, "Jack Denver"

Post by Jack Denver
This is not a brand that is well respected among watch people. You'll

get

Post by Jack Denver
a

Post by Jack Denver
$5 quartz movement in a nice looking case. At least be sure that you

get

Post by Jack Denver
40%

Post by Jack Denver
off list or you'll be overpaying.

Do Raymond Weil only make quartz watches now? I have a Weil that I
bought in Seattle airport duty free in 1982 and it has a Peseux 7001
in it.

Post by Jack Denver
Is it a "good" watch - that depends what you mean by "good". Will it

keep

Post by Jack Denver
excellent time? Sure, until it breaks, the same as any other quartz

Antonio Sant

2003-11-25 20:38:14 UTC

A bit extreme.

I bougth 3 RW (one a Parsifal automatic).
They are good watch at good price.

It's a minor brand, but the work is good.

Bye bye.

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

b***@gmail.com

2018-09-20 22:53:58 UTC

Go to watch ranking and look. It is one of the better entry grade luxury watch.

d***@cox.net

2015-11-05 16:16:30 UTC

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

had to have 2 batteries replaced. sent back to RW as RW requires. first time battery cost me total $250.00 this time $290.00. I find RW to be very expensive to maintain. both times RW says high consumption. what is high consumption on a watch? is this because my watch runs 24 hours a day 7 days a week all the time?
I will never buy or recommend a RW watch.

Jeff Wisnia

2015-11-11 22:36:02 UTC

Post by d***@cox.net

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

I'm having difficulty understanding why you couldn't have the battery
replaced at a local shop.

Is there a warranty problem there or is there some special tool needed
to open the case that of your watch that only RW has?

My local jeweler replaces the battery in MY RW wristwatch for $5 in a
couple of minutes.

Or, were you just spoofing us?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

d***@cox.net

2015-11-23 14:39:29 UTC

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

My Raymond Weil watch cost me about $100/year to maintain. needed second battery, sent to Raymond Weil (their requirement) both times cost me almost $300. I will never own another Raymond Weil watch again.

rickman

2015-11-23 15:51:13 UTC

Post by d***@cox.net

Post by Finite Guy
Hi All: Just wanted to get oppinions on Raymond Weil Quartz watches.
I'm thinking of getting one for my wife.
Robert

How much did the watch cost?

--
Rick

r***@gmail.com

2017-05-09 15:09:56 UTC